Is this a joke? >_>
o_OMasolympics should be supposed to have a place here. As for Brawl, makes no sense to me as far as stats competition and as a Sonic game.
If we add SSBB, we should add M&SATOL to be coherent. Anyway, I say no. I don't think SSBB fits as a Sonic related game, and this has been a basic requirement for a game to be added to TSC along years. :(
Well there is this http://www.cyberscore.net/game-smashbrosbrawl.phpAdding onto what Pidgey said CyberScore autofails, and according to the Constitution of Infallibility should be ignored at all costs.
On another note, if SSBB is added, should SSB and SSBM be added?Do they have anything to do with Sonic?
Can games be shared between different subsites? Like if Smash Bros got its own subsite, could just the Sonic charts also count on TSC?Sharing games between subsites could be done with a bit of reworking. Sharing parts of games between subsites would require a lot of reworking and also be really odd. I think it's better to go all in or all out.
In semation: our standards of quality have changed, and while we are 'The Sonic Center', we should not take the car just because it's more familiar than the airplane.
Unless I am mistaking, the only reason subsites aren't weighted is because competition isn't developed enough to warrant inclusion on the main site. This is the only logical reason I can think of. To say a subsite game isn't "similar enough to Sonic" to get weighted is duplicitous. In that case they're completely ignoring the variety in Sonic games tracked. Sonic Drift is nothing like Sonic 2; Sonic 2 is nothing like Sonic Adventure; Sonic Adventure is nothing like Shadow, etc. In the vein of "don't include it, it's too different", let's partition 2D and 3D Sonics in weight because they have little in common. Surely we should not penalize players in the rankings just because they aren't good at one type of game.
Brawl has "nothing to do with Sonic", sure, but why does it have to? Everybody agrees it would be beneficial for the site, with deep competition value and the interest group to sustain it, and as previously stated relegating something with so many potential (and more importantly present) competitors to subsite status makes no sense. Why trivialize something this invigorating? Just because we've never given weight to a game loosely involving Sonic before doesn't mean we never should.
In response to PPA and a few others who suggest all games with Sonic and co present deserve tracking on the same grounds: you are overlooking the most important factor of a game's inclusion in a subsite, popularity. If a large playerbase exists then a large playerbase should be allowed to complete. 'Sega Superstars Tennis' doesn't have anywhere near the player pool as Brawl, nor does NiGHTS, and certaintly not Mario and Sonic at the Olympics. On that last point, the standard of trackable games has changed, we no longer add games knee-jerk just because they involve Sonic. Why do you think it took Rivals 2 and Sonic 06 so long to get included? There were serious considerations as to whether they had quality enough to add. If you deem M&S worthy of tracking then convince Rolken it is (taking care not to pester him of course, which will only make you look wheedling and desperate to be amongst a handful of competitors).
In semation: our standards of quality have changed, and while we are 'The Sonic Center', we should not take the car just because it's more familiar than the airplane.
I'm made my opinion to rolken, so I won't repeat it entirely.
However,
as a fan of brawl and the smash bros series in general, I say:
this is a really stupid idea that is being acted on in impulse and not thought.
this is a really stupid idea that is being acted on in impulse and not thought.
Why is Stefan the only person in this topic with any sense :(
Here is a line of thought for consideration that has mostly gone unaddressed, since the conversation seems to have settled on a subsite.
There are perhaps three levels of "authority" to shoot for: to just be a diversion for TSC members to compete amongst ourselves, to gain serious support of internet brawlers from such places as smashboards and GameFAQs, and to genuinely be the worldwide authority on what the best stats ever achieved have been (which I don't think TSC has necessarily reached itself, and it could be argued follows after the second option). Each requires a different level of commitment, knowledge and community activism. Which are we shooting for, how are we going to get there, and who is going to get us there?
I am happy to engage in the first by myself, but embarking on the second alone is pretty much a waste of time. Are there people or boards that we should establish "diplomatic relations" with, and if so, what should be the manner of its doing? Is there anyone here who has particular tenure at smash communities or is on friendly terms with significant people in the smash community? -Is- there a "smash community"? Who are experienced smashers who can work through complicated decisions on the rankings and how do we enlist their support? How do we establish ourselves as the go-to place for competition? Do we want to handle the direct non-ranking side of competition? How is competition evolving in the absence of a TSC site? Would people move to a TSC site if they knew it existed? There are many questions to be answered before throwing up a subsite if we want this to work, and yet the window of opportunity appears to me to be acutely short before people start settling on their own suboptimal solutions, and so it is essential to act quickly. I have my own responses to many of the above questions but most are tentative and somewhat uninformed and I'd rather see others' opinions.
Well, I think it would be best if we were to see someone well-known in the community (LinksDarkArrows is both relatively prominent in the Smash BtT community and has an account here, so perhaps him) and ask whether the community would like it, as CS isn't exactly a common hangout for people who compete in Brawl, even though they have charts up.
There's a good chance that they'll reject us: we'd seem like we're just trying to take over them because Sonic is dead. Not to mention if we do attract the community, how will we deal with mods and admins? We don't really want to give people we don't know well adminship, but not giving the right people some authority may cause issues.
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