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Title: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 04, 2009, 05:24:10 pm
I'm thinking this will take place either Friday night or Saturday night, to best cater for people that want to participate.

SO FAR IT IS LOOKING TO BE SATURDAY NIGHT. TIME NOT YET CONFIRMED.

11PM GMT IS THE CURRENT START TIME

So as some of you will be aware, last night TSC raced Sonic 1, then Sonic 2, then Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

THE DREAM IS THIS

A marathon race, of Sonic 1, Sonic 2, then Sonic 3&K, as Sonic alone.

All participants would begin at Sonic 1, and progress to Sonic 2 once they clear Final Zone.
Then they would dash through Sonic 2, and progress to Sonic 3&K after they clear Death Egg.
The challenge would be clear once the screen fades at the end of Doomsday Act 2 (Death Egg 2's Second Boss, for those not in the know.)

Once you game over, thats it, you're out (providing you have no continues), and you cannot just rejoin in at a later game, seeing as not everyone will start S2/3&K at the same time? Addendum: Trying to work out some sort of penalty system for letting you do so.

This would be an epic test of endurance and skill, the ultimate challenger for any TSCer!

Whos in!?

IMPORTANT STUFF


First and foremost, game is tracked IN REAL TIME.

Secondly, game overs. (This is SonicAD's suggestion)

When a player game over's (And has no continues), they restart on the level they were on, and receive +1 to their game over tally (example below). They then restart at the beginning of the act they were on, read the section on recording for what to do when/if you game over.


The second point with this is how the results will be determined. Game Overing adds 1 to your fail Game Over tally. Players with 1 Game Over cannot be ranked higher than players with none, even if they finish faster. 2 Game Overs cant be ranked higher than 1 Game Over etc etc. Each game over also adds 10 minutes to your finish time.

IE

1st - Person A Time: 3 hours or something
2nd - Person B  Time: 3 hours 15 minutes
3rd - Person D  Time: 3 hours 45 minutes
4th - Person C Time: 3 hours 30 minutes (1 GO)

etc.

Thirdly, recording.

.giz or .gmv are fine, use whichever emulator you prefer. In the event of a game over, KEEP RECORDING, go back to the title screen/optionsand input the level select cheat, or use your save file if your up to S3K, then go to the level you were on.

In terms of where to start recording, we will all start, from a frozen recording AT THE SONIC1 TITLE SCREEN. Recording of the other games should begin as soon as the rom is loaded.

Also note, if the game legitimatly freezes on you (and it isnt the emulator), this is what you should do:
[17:32] <+RPG> You should end the .giz
[17:32] <+RPG> restart the rom, start recording a new one and dont overwrite
[17:32] <+RPG> and level select to the level you were on

Yes you will lose lives and continues probably, but unfortunatly that is a case of tough luck

IMPORTANT NOTE!! When you start running Sonic 2, don't forget to select Sonic Alone through the Options menu!

Special Stages and Bonus Stages are completely fair game, as is super/hyper sonic should you wish to sacrifice finishing quickly for being mostly invincible.

Also it is totally mandatory to post your level times each time you clear a level while its tallying/fading

I think thats all, if theres anything else Ill update it to here later.

Current Entries: 26(28) (3 Maybe's, 5 Probably's)

RPG
Spinny (Maybe)
Doug
SJ
FKE (Maybe)
Mike
Aita
Thorn
Werster
Sondow
Eredani
Miles
Crowbar
Fuzzerd (Probably)
Cruizer
Achlys
Yoshifan (Maybe)
SonicAD
Iceman !?
stanski !?
JGDA
Paraxade
DsS (Probably?! OK.)
Upthorn (Probably)
CF (Probably)
MK
SkyLights
Jupi
Alondite (Maybe)
Groudon (Probably)

Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Spinballwizard on January 04, 2009, 05:32:28 pm
I need to know when, and plz not on a night I'm not here (aka thursday friday or saturday). And not when I'm at work (early Monday, Wednesday 4-8 EST/9-1 GMT).

But I'm game >:O!
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: douglas on January 04, 2009, 06:11:38 pm
Just to be clear (given I've never completed S3&K without all emeralds >_>) this is just to the end of Death Egg 2, with no emerald collection at all?  Also if the timing suits I'm totally in.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Spinballwizard on January 04, 2009, 06:19:39 pm
The challenge would be clear once the screen fades at the end of Doomsday Act 2 (Death Egg 2's Second Boss, for those not in the know.)
Doug I thought you were smarter than that. :(
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Firstkirbyever on January 04, 2009, 06:20:11 pm
huh i'll join, if i'm not busy that day >_____>

Edit: I'm not Busy that day i'm in :D
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Shadow Jacky on January 04, 2009, 06:30:26 pm
I'm in
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 04, 2009, 06:35:55 pm
Emerald colelction is entirely optional, but doomsday doesnt count towards your clear time
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Crowbar on January 04, 2009, 09:28:59 pm
Fuck it, I want in on this. Even though I haven't been in the chat or anything at all lately. And don't TA any of the Mega Drive games and will fail horribly!

But what timezone's "Saturday night" are you referring to? PST? As I'm on GMT I worry that might place it at about midnight to morning for me. :(

How the hell do these work anyway? People just stay in the chat and say where they're at while recording a .giz?
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 04, 2009, 10:22:23 pm
This is probably the best idea i have heard of all year *shot*

I will drop out in S1 so yeah.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: FuzZerd on January 04, 2009, 11:06:30 pm
count me in as a probably.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Miles9999 on January 04, 2009, 11:16:10 pm
I'll be in.  I'll probably rank high due to 80% of the people not finishing S1, yeah! >_>
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 04, 2009, 11:36:17 pm
Timings are GMT yeah, and unfortunatly for Crowbar it is likely to be starting around midnightish, but I will try and arrange it for earlier :(

Cruizer are you in or not? >_>
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 05, 2009, 01:57:39 am
Yeah i'm in. Just tell me the time and i'll be on
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Waxwings on January 05, 2009, 01:58:29 am
I'll be there.

I'll also be working on actually finishing Death Egg in S2.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: yse on January 05, 2009, 02:43:28 am
I am so in.

Everyone practice Marble. I want a whole bunch of people actually reaching S3&K!

S3&K-S was a really close race a few days ago... is it that much to ask to get another close race?
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 05, 2009, 05:45:04 am
11PM GMT..is...what time AEST?

I am so in.

Everyone practice Marble. I want a whole bunch of people actually reaching S3&K!

S3&K-S was a really close race a few days ago... is it that much to ask to get another close race?

I'm trying to practice Marble...i can't do 2 or 3 properly. Which is weird considering i can do Scrap Brain and Final Zone Flawlessly.

Also practice everything after Hill Top for Sonic 2. >_>
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: douglas on January 05, 2009, 06:41:16 am
11pm this coming Saturday means I am so in.  Prepare for a whipping guys :)
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Crowbar on January 05, 2009, 11:10:44 am
Oh 11pm's okay.

Practicing now. I at least want not to die.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Eis Makai on January 05, 2009, 01:37:55 pm
I think i will do this if I am able to. So this is if you have Sonic Mega Collection (or the actual 3 1/2 games for Genesis or PC) and you start Sonic 1, then you quit, then you go to Sonic 2, then you quit out, then you go to S3K and boom over?

How are the stats done? What would be the time for Eastern Time, New York? I suppose it is -5 from Greenwich. So if it is 11PM Greenwich time, then it starts at 6PM Eastern Time for all those who live on the Eastern Time, Maine-Florida, Ohio, Alabama, half of Idiana, 1/2 Kentucky and 1/2 Tennessee
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Waxwings on January 05, 2009, 02:16:45 pm


RPG
Spinny (Maybe)
Doug
SJ
FKE (Maybe)
Mike
Aita
Thorn
Werster
Sondow
Eredani (Probably)
Miles
Crowbar
Fuzzerd (Probably)
Cruizer
Achlys
Yoshifan (Maybe)
SonicAD



Likely finishing order:

--Mike: SS experience puts him on top here. Even though he's not the best in any of the games (Miles in S1, Aita/Eredani in S2, and werster in S3&K), he's certainly the most consistent.

--Werster: He's something of a loose cannon. He's possibly the most skilled player on the list, but he's also a risk-taker, which could wind up biting him in the ass later with a game over. He'll either medal or drop out during S3&K.

--RPG: Inconsistent, but definitely a major contender. He has something of a repetitive death syndrome, so if he starts screwing up a boss keep on the watch for a crash.

--Thorn: As the rear guard, Thorn will probably be looking for mistakes from the front of the pack. He takes it relatively slowly, but he's the one competitor I will bestow the honor of "Most Likely to Finish", so keep a close eye on him.

--Fuzz: Good player all around. Doesn't quite have Thorn's consistency though, so we'll see on that front.

--Eredani: I don't really know what to expect here. From my experience, he's like SM: very good when he chooses to practice a level, but not so good when it comes to the sort of playing I'd expect to see during a marathon.

--Douglas/SJ: They're definitely competent enough 2D players, so I foresee them being midway between the leaders and the average player.

--Achlys: I'm a good player in certain areas, but have absolutely no TA'ing skill in some others. For me, it really depends on how S2 plays out. I may be overestimating my abilities here.

--SonicAD/Spinballwizard: They'll finish, but slower than most. I definitely see a chance for them, though, if Death Egg or another problem level winds up being bloodier than anticipated.

And for the rest...

Miles
Aitamen
yoshifan
Crowbar
CrUiZ3R/Sondow/FKE
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Spinballwizard on January 05, 2009, 06:18:15 pm
I think you underestimate yoshifan's prowess; sure he's better at 3D, but I think he'll still do something.

Also yeah I will be slower than most; the only wallzip I'm confident with in S1 is SB3. I'll be really slow through s1. And S2/DE. >_>
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 05, 2009, 09:15:13 pm
I am actually quite honoured that you think Ill finish 3rd
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Taillow on January 05, 2009, 09:19:23 pm
...drat.  I start to think about joining this and I notice I can't make it due to the time <_<
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 05, 2009, 09:27:47 pm
:(
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 06, 2009, 01:37:10 am
Also Iceman it would be preferable if you would play on an emulator heh

Gens+ is fine!
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: yse on January 06, 2009, 02:19:05 am
It's not like anyone's going to compare length when the runs are going to be 3+ hours long :(

That said, if you do want to compete, make -sure- you get in the chat on Saturday.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Telnaior on January 06, 2009, 03:39:05 am
I will probably play, but I'll crash and burn somewhere in S2. Robotnik's Revenge was good practise for the WF boss though. So if I can clear Metropolis and then Death Egg, I -might- make it. Screw racing it though :P
Time won't be a problem, but if Mum and Dad decide to lug me off somewhere, I won't make it :(

Also, unrelatedly, RR needs a boss select. (No idea how that would work though)

EDIT: Also, (this was proposed by AD, not me) a GO system would be level selecting to the start of the zone that the player in last place is in (not counting you, if you happened to be in last place at the time). This may cause you to skip one or multiple zones if you are far behind, and could be seen as a viable strategy. Catch: You must execute the level select code each time you GO otherwise you must start from the beginning of the game (that the last place player is in). This can be seen as a 'GO penalty', to avoid someone jumping in at the final boss of S3K, for example.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: yse on January 06, 2009, 03:42:21 am
Here's my predicted rankings:

THE CONTENDERS

1st - wersterlobe - I do not consider this a concession to my younger brother, I still think I'm a better player at my best. But that last part is the key point. I am nowhere near my best and my S3&K single segments are over two years old. werster has been actively competing since that time, and I think that opens the door.
2nd - mike89 - Even putting myself this high is a stretch, but having substantially won a run of Sonic 2 and finished just behind Miles in Sonic 1 tonight, I think I can get enough of a lead up to beat most comers through S3K.
3rd - Thorn - I really believe consistency will win the day on this one. Thorn is rock solid, but may not have the balls for some of the riskier strategies. This might work in his favour, as those riskier strategies, in my experience, generally don't come off.

THE CHASING PACK

4th - RPG - Another generally consistent player, but with a potentially selfdestructive habit of showboating.
5th - eredani - A real dark horse. eredani certainly possesses the skills to win this outright, but it depends how well he practices and, particularly if he doesn't practice much, how he reacts to unfamiliar situations.
6th - Miles - The current SDA record holder for Sonic 1, we all know he can play. Some strong recent showings in Sonic 2 point to a pretty good form line in the first half of the race... but currently unproven in S3&K.
7th - douglas - A strong Sonic 2 player, also with a known good record in Sonic 1. Unproven in S3&K though, and so far has made no attempt at distance events.
8th - yoshifan - Another dark horse, but one who seems quite out of practice. Game over in Final Zone on his most recent attempt of Sonic 1... with no indication of how we're going to handle this yet, it could be a major hurdle if he can't get out of Sonic 1.

THE PRETENDERS

SonicAD - Will definitely finish, but he'll probably be the yardstick by which the Game Over-ers will be reset >_>
Spinballwizard - Unless this guy is. He'll finish too.
Achlys - Very hot and cold. Will keep pace on the levels he knows, and drop off substantially on the ones he doesn't.
Aitamen - Will probably be looking strong after Sonic 2, and then fade away drastically.
SJ - Game overs too often to be a real chance <_<
Fuzzerd - A steadily improving player, but probably not enough to keep pace with the best.
Cruizer - Just in it for novelty value, I feel.
Sondow - Will try hard...

(note that these ones at the bottom aren't ranked in any way)
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: CosmicFalcon on January 06, 2009, 07:59:19 am
I ACCEPT j00R CHALLENGE
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Rolken on January 06, 2009, 08:14:19 am
Proposal: a 10/7/4/2/1 sitewide point bonus for the top 4 places and finishing the race.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 06, 2009, 08:20:13 am
:O That is a pro idea, I approve
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: douglas on January 06, 2009, 11:25:23 am
Proposal: a 10/7/4/2/1 sitewide point bonus for the top 4 places and finishing the race.
Doug is not pro this plan (despite it giving him 10 points for sure >_>); sitewides should be about our core competition, it excludes people unable to compete, more party pooping reasons, etc.  How about custom awards?  They seem the ideal way to recognise this, and then you can extend the principle to all sorts of extra-curricular activities.  Maybe some custom siggy photoshopness too?
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Eis Makai on January 06, 2009, 11:50:30 am
So if we are doing this. Do I need to vid this or what?
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Zeupar on January 06, 2009, 05:09:12 pm
I don't like Rolken's proposal. D: I think that Doug's ideas are good, though.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Waxwings on January 06, 2009, 06:04:55 pm
Also, because of the inevitable asshole trying to screw around using the bonus tally, can we calculate place by ingame clock, instead of real time?
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 06, 2009, 06:55:49 pm
Yes we'll time by ingame clock, but I do somewhat doubt that any 2 runs will come close enough together for it to matter all too much.
/me update first post with stuff
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Telnaior on January 06, 2009, 08:04:25 pm
Ok, scratch me off the list :(

Apparently Mum's going to lug me off to an official Sonic-free zone (>_>) On Friday, and I won't get back until Tuesday at the earliest.

Pity, too.

(Also mike, if I WAS in it, the GO's would be returning to me for sure)
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: FuzZerd on January 06, 2009, 08:56:54 pm
I was going to suggest allowing one game over on sonic 1, and only looking at stage time if two players finish close to the same time.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: werster on January 06, 2009, 10:22:21 pm
Ok so apparently people think highly of me in this race. But unfortunately RPG is right :( I will GO in S1/2 so get me off your lists. As for my own predictions:

1) mike89 - no one will touch him. No one will come close :(

2) RPG - Surely he'll go fatser than Thorn. Surely he won't go faster than mike. Just dont get stuck on a wall :(

3) Thorn - That's right, I only expect 3 people to -not-  GO. Thus, thorn clears out the medals.
 
As for the others:

wersterlobe - If he doesn't GO he could get second...at a stretch. Marathons just dont go my way :( 2 S3K races so far, the first one is hilariously fail, the second, i restarted, had 8 glitch deaths, amazingly won, and wasn't recording >_<

darkhorse - Everyone has put yoshi here, which was my first go here too. But I'd like to throw in SkyL for a good show. Came second in that fore mentioned race, and looked like he could have come second in a Sonic 2 race.

Miles - Resident owning Sonic 1 :( Though in his most recent race he did GO there, so you never know. I'd also like to point out Sonic 1 means nothing <_<

stanski - I really hope he races. Just for the fact, he will be miles (shut up) ahead after Sonic 2, putting some pressure on mike.

DsS - He -is- racing. I want am really interested in how he goes. Could be anywhere for mine, shown alot of promise in S3, dont know much about the rest.

So there you have it. An interesting race is ahead. Everyone practise every level. I really don't want to see mike win.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 07, 2009, 12:20:13 am
Proposal: a 10/7/4/2/1 sitewide point bonus for the top 4 places and finishing the race.
Doug is not pro this plan (despite it giving him 10 points for sure >_>); sitewides should be about our core competition, it excludes people unable to compete, more party pooping reasons, etc.  How about custom awards?  They seem the ideal way to recognise this, and then you can extend the principle to all sorts of extra-curricular activities.  Maybe some custom siggy photoshopness too?

A part of the core competition could also mean being able to replicate those times on a regular basis. Being able to be the best is one part of being the best. Another is being able to consistently repeat those results. This is why i see Rolken's proposal to be very effective (even though i won't have a chance to get in the top 4)
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 07, 2009, 01:46:54 am
Proposal: a 10/7/4/2/1 sitewide point bonus for the top 4 places and finishing the race.
Doug is not pro this plan (despite it giving him 10 points for sure >_>); sitewides should be about our core competition, it excludes people unable to compete, more party pooping reasons, etc.  How about custom awards?  They seem the ideal way to recognise this, and then you can extend the principle to all sorts of extra-curricular activities.  Maybe some custom siggy photoshopness too?

A part of the core competition could also mean being able to replicate those times on a regular basis. Being able to be the best is one part of being the best. Another is being able to consistently repeat those results. This is why i see Rolken's proposal to be very effective (even though i won't have a chance to get in the top 4)

You still get a point providing you finish!
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Shadow Jacky on January 07, 2009, 01:52:31 am
mike should give me more credit, I came in 2nd in tonight's S1 race beating RPG!

*gloats*

*practices S2*
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Rolken on January 07, 2009, 02:07:38 am
Second concept: 5/4/3/2/1 points, and subsequent marathon participations either give reduced points or only count your highest rank.

Also if you want your opinion considered, put it in here, this type of subject is closer to a poll than a right-or-wrong.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 07, 2009, 02:10:52 am
The idea that, EG mike, cant play and win 5 marathons and earn 5 points each time is good.

And in the long run, will -5- sitewide points -really- make -that- much difference to someones sitewide total.

One other suggestion, if you do make awards to go with the bonus' (assuming thats done), would you make it so that someone could earn the "Won a Marathon" award twice, but it only give sitewide points once, or something similar?
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Rolken on January 07, 2009, 02:11:50 am
That would be the idea.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 07, 2009, 02:31:13 am
Proposal: a 10/7/4/2/1 sitewide point bonus for the top 4 places and finishing the race.
Doug is not pro this plan (despite it giving him 10 points for sure >_>); sitewides should be about our core competition, it excludes people unable to compete, more party pooping reasons, etc.  How about custom awards?  They seem the ideal way to recognise this, and then you can extend the principle to all sorts of extra-curricular activities.  Maybe some custom siggy photoshopness too?

A part of the core competition could also mean being able to replicate those times on a regular basis. Being able to be the best is one part of being the best. Another is being able to consistently repeat those results. This is why i see Rolken's proposal to be very effective (even though i won't have a chance to get in the top 4)

You still get a point providing you finish!

That becomes a problem with people who gameover 5 or 10 times. That bonus point should be for people who gameover under a certain amount of times.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 07, 2009, 02:32:38 am
Even so they still finish, unlike person z who drops out.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: yse on January 07, 2009, 02:36:24 am
That becomes a problem with people who gameover 5 or 10 times. That bonus point should be for people who gameover under a certain amount of times.

Might I suggest zero?

Yes, that might mean there are no bonus points awarded... but damn, you -should- have to earn it.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 07, 2009, 02:41:12 am
Good Point RPG

Also we must consider this: All players must post their .giz files for confirmation of their times and completion for them to even receive the sitepoints.

We also need someone (or a few) to keep track of everyone, their game over count and who is in last place. If i weren't competing i would gladly do this as it is easy >_>.

That becomes a problem with people who gameover 5 or 10 times. That bonus point should be for people who gameover under a certain amount of times.

Might I suggest zero?

Yes, that might mean there are no bonus points awarded... but damn, you -should- have to earn it.

Well RPG's point is valid and hence they should be rewarded. I suggest a factor based on their position and the amount they have gameover'd
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 07, 2009, 02:42:14 am
Keeping track of last isnt important now with ADs Improved Game Over Handling System(TM)!
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: flyby on January 07, 2009, 02:48:25 am
My opinion on the matter: I think giving sitewide points for marathons would be nice. It infuses the competitive spirit of TSC, and I think would make people want to compete more in the other charts, so it seems mutually beneficial. And...I think points should only be awarded for those who -finish- the marathon. I agree with mike on that. So, there is my opinion for what it's worth. And...the only reason I find my opinion relevant on the subject is because races have made me actually start TAing a bit again. So, nyah.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 07, 2009, 02:51:10 am
Improved Game Over handling system? Did i miss something again?
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 07, 2009, 02:58:02 am
First post for the new Game Over Handling, it should give people incentive to keep playing if they get a game over

edit: I also agree that players who dont finish the marathon shouldnt receive an award/bonus points
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 07, 2009, 03:07:48 am
Okay now that is a better game over system. And RPG it is common sense that if you don't finish you won't be rewarded.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: SonicAD on January 07, 2009, 04:20:30 am
Obviously you are all underestimating how well I will do, so I have placed a bet with mike89 that I will place 4th or better.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 07, 2009, 04:23:18 am
I cant let you finish 4th!
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: douglas on January 07, 2009, 06:51:06 am
I'm now intrigued; having done a couple of playthroughs I'm fairly sure I'm not going to GO in S1 or S2, so I'll be going on the attack in them, but S3&K is a minefield for me so I'll be easing off and taking bonus stages for life spam.  If I'm not ahead at the end of S1, and in the top 3 by the end of S2, you can comprehensively count me out.

Saturday needs to hurry up getting here amirite
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 07, 2009, 06:58:47 am
You are right douglas...But i need to practice S2 before i think of getting to the end without GO'ing.

Also Judging from the times people have been getting lately. Here are my predictions REAL-TIME-wise.

Sonic 1: Leader will finish within 20 minutes
             Pack will finish between 20-32 minutes
             Last Will finish within 35 minutes

Sonic 2: Leader will finish within 60 of starting marathon
              Pack will finish between 65-95 minutes
              Last will finish within 100 minutes

Sonic 3&K : Leader will finish within 120 minutes of starting marathon
                   Top 5 will finish within 130 minutes
                   Pack will finish between 130-160 minutes
                   Last Will finish within 165 minutes.

As for my other predictions:

1st: mike89 - I haven't seen him race but i know of his capabilities
2nd: RPG - Shows loads of promise with winning S1 and S2 races recently
3rd: Miles - Has been consistent with keeping up or ahead of RPG
4th: SJ - His performance in S1 and S2 tonight has actually made me thin he has potential
5th: wersterlobe - Providing he does not game over, werster stands to be a threat to everyone. S3&K will be his strength whereas in S1 and S2 he will sit nice and high within the pack.

Others:
flyby: Will give it her all in S1 and S2.
DsS: Our champion has to good at these old games right?
SonicAD: MY choice for Underdog.
Thorn: I've only heard good about him
FuzZerd: He will seriously catch up in S3&K
Upthorn: Has the capabilities of NOT game overing thus putting him high up.
Myself: I am trying my best to not game over in any level. I feel i'll sit nice and firmly within the pack in S1 and S2 and then blast away at S3&K. I';ll need at least one continue for S2 and S3&K to stay in the top 10.

Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: yse on January 07, 2009, 07:03:47 am
Well douglas, you have to remember Miles is competing, who's the current SDA record holder. I think we may also have stanski on board, whose record speaks for itself. The first two games aren't going to be a cakewalk :P
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Zeupar on January 08, 2009, 09:19:30 am
I think that giving sitewide points as a prize is not a good idea. TSC's charts measure how good are players when they play a level, circuit or mini-game over and over again. Races measure how consistent are players when they play a whole game or games. A player can compete on a game now or in the future. This doesn't happen with races; if a player registers when races fad is over, he or she will never have the chance of getting those extra sitewide points. And I think that this would be unfair.

Someone could say that they are only five sitewide points at the most, but I'm not speaking about quantity, this is a qualitative question. Mixing both concepts is a bad idea.

I suggest making a races general ranking with a points system. It would still be unfair for future players, but at least we would keep sitewide rankings consistent and fair. Anyway, I think that the awards idea that douglas proposed would be the best way to award racers.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Eis Makai on January 08, 2009, 09:23:01 am
You are right douglas...But i need to practice S2 before i think of getting to the end without GO'ing.

Also Judging from the times people have been getting lately. Here are my predictions REAL-TIME-wise.

Sonic 1: Leader will finish within 20 minutes
             Pack will finish between 20-32 minutes
             Last Will finish within 35 minutes

Sonic 2: Leader will finish within 60 of starting marathon
              Pack will finish between 65-95 minutes
              Last will finish within 100 minutes

Sonic 3&K : Leader will finish within 120 minutes of starting marathon
                   Top 5 will finish within 130 minutes
                   Pack will finish between 130-160 minutes
                   Last Will finish within 165 minutes.

As for my other predictions:

1st: mike89 - I haven't seen him race but i know of his capabilities
2nd: RPG - Shows loads of promise with winning S1 and S2 races recently
3rd: Miles - Has been consistent with keeping up or ahead of RPG
4th: SJ - His performance in S1 and S2 tonight has actually made me thin he has potential
5th: wersterlobe - Providing he does not game over, werster stands to be a threat to everyone. S3&K will be his strength whereas in S1 and S2 he will sit nice and high within the pack.

Others:
flyby: Will give it her all in S1 and S2.
DsS: Our champion has to good at these old games right?
SonicAD: MY choice for Underdog.
Thorn: I've only heard good about him
FuzZerd: He will seriously catch up in S3&K
Upthorn: Has the capabilities of NOT game overing thus putting him high up.
Myself: I am trying my best to not game over in any level. I feel i'll sit nice and firmly within the pack in S1 and S2 and then blast away at S3&K. I';ll need at least one continue for S2 and S3&K to stay in the top 10.
Iceman: He finished Sonic 1 thrice without gameover once, he gameovered once for Sonic 2 at Death Egg, he gameovered once at Sonic 3 on the Last boss there, and once on the last boss of Sonic and Knuckles (not Doomsday).  So I belive he can do it!



Ahh, thanks for the compliment! I may start putting in stats for the Gens Sonic games instead of just SA2B, so I will be better.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: douglas on January 08, 2009, 10:38:01 am
Well douglas, you have to remember Miles is competing, who's the current SDA record holder. I think we may also have stanski on board, whose record speaks for itself. The first two games aren't going to be a cakewalk :P
I'm very well aware of that and fully expect to be destroyed everywhere; my point merely was that I'm going to suck sufficiently badly at S3&K that to be anywhere I have to be out front to start with and as such I have to attack S1 and S2 hard (although a slow-and-steady don't-GO-at-any-cost approach might actually bring me back into play . . . hmm, what to do . . .).
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Thorn on January 08, 2009, 01:44:01 pm
I think that giving sitewide points as a prize is not a good idea. TSC's charts measure how good are players when they play a level, circuit or mini-game over and over again. Races measure how consistent are players when they play a whole game or games.

Although I'm not too much for the concept of Sitewide Points for these races, since it would partly boil down to having free time right when TSC wants you to, I think you've kind of missed the mark on that one. Nowhere in the TSC Rules or Constitution or the like is it written that this arbitrary measure called "skill" is based on who's got the gall to mindlessly play a level over and over until it's perfect... that's just how it plays out 99.9% of the time. Who's to say that there's not as much "skill" to be found in a solid performance over 30 zones or so as there is in a perfect run of one level? Who's to say there's not more "skill" in one type than the other?

What I do agree with, though, is

A player can compete on a game now or in the future.

because that would nullify my big concern about this whole idea. The races could count towards Sitewide totals provided that people who can't be there when it happens still have a chance to compete. One idea would be to still have our "everybody attempts this stuff at once" race for the lulz, but leave the competition open for a week or so after it starts. Another is to introduce the challenges over time and leave them open eternally... come to think of it, sort of like the Emerald Challenges, only without silly pics and arbitrary rules that the player is forced to adhere to, and without ending in batshit crazy, difficult challenges. If we wanted any sort of arbitrary rule in Sonic 1 or 2, we could always hack a ROM pretty easily for comeptition use that would keep it enforced automatically.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Telnaior on January 09, 2009, 02:11:52 am
Although I'm not in it (thanks to me FAILING to smuggle Mega Collection into the 'Sonic-Free Zone), I agree with the custom awards idea. Having sitewide points as rewards is unfair for people who can't make the time. Having a set of challenges like Thorn proposed could be interesting though...
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Jawzunx on January 09, 2009, 03:04:10 pm
I disagree with the idea of giving Sitewide Points to the winners.

Several reasons:
 -1st (most obvious and already posted): I thought Charts is what was supossed to give sitewide points to the players, not eventual competitions very similar to the well-known Emerald Challenges.

-2nd: At least, if you want to give Site Points, make marathons for all games. I mean, not everyone has those old games or they aren't very good at them, so you're giving advantage to the best players of those Genesis games.

-3rd: Give another price, an Award title, or a 'Emerald badge thing' to put in your signature

-4th: Time. Not every country has the same hour so maybe some players might not be able to compete on it cause of the time difference.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: P.P.A. on January 09, 2009, 03:17:02 pm
This is stupid because for once since it's a one time only event the points will eternally given to that person with other people unable to challenge and win them from said person, while additionally with it being a timed event, some people might not be able to attend to the competition and will not have a chance to do it later, as would be the case with normal TAing where you can just submit your times and play any time you like.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Thorn on January 09, 2009, 03:19:38 pm
I thought Charts is what was supossed to give sitewide points to the players...

Let me reiterate that nowhere on the site does it say that only our best-record charts should have any value. Consistency over multiple games is rewarded just as well as proficiency over a select few... see my Sitewide position for reference.

I mean, not everyone has those old games or they are'nt very good at them, so you're giving adavntage to the best players of those Genesis games.

Not having the games is a silly argument: we're using ROMs and an emulator for recording, which are free. If you feel bad about having the game without owning a legal copy, I'm sure your local used games store has a copy of Mega Collection for less than $20 or equivalent.

Also who's to say that in the future this competition wouldn't open up to more games, or even mods of the original games?

Give another price, an Award title, or a 'Emerald badge thing' to punt in your signature

Sig prizes were banned long ago because RPG certain people couldn't keep their sigs to a respectable size.

Not every country has the same hour so maybe some players might not be able to compete on it cause of the time difference.

Eurpoeans have it the worst, running the marathon late at night... yet most all interested Europeans have found a way to compete.



The above rebuttal can be aimed at PPA's post too.

I'm against Sitewide Points too, at least without some modifications to the rules, but all of the points you raised were proven to be moot before you even mentioned them. I maintain what I stated in my previous post, but I'm not going to fight the majority alone. If you feel that strongly on the subject, approach Rolken with a coherent argument.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Phantom the Hedgehog on January 09, 2009, 08:08:46 pm
j3s a Sonic Race,at least its not like Sonic R
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Selphos on January 09, 2009, 08:11:27 pm
Er, what the hell?
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Thorn on January 09, 2009, 08:14:50 pm
j3s a Sonic Race,at least its not like Sonic R

(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/4411/trainwreckdx5.png)

Do clarify, please, just in case I'm misinterpreting.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Crowbar on January 09, 2009, 11:28:38 pm
I feel compelled to warn you all that, due to the fact that I really can't be bothered practicing routes beyond Metropolis 1, I will suck.

Yeah, you better be ready.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 09, 2009, 11:46:00 pm
I was going to counterpoint all of Jawzuns points but it looks like Thorn already did that for me!
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 10, 2009, 05:31:01 am
I do hope everyone knows to /join #sonicmarathon We will not be using the TSC channel as people will be flooding it with 20s-40s on GH1. Just a heads up if you haven't caught that information yet.

j3s a Sonic Race,at least its not like Sonic R

(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/4411/trainwreckdx5.png)

Do clarify, please, just in case I'm misinterpreting.

i think he said (de-1337ified) "yes a Sonic Race, at least it isn't Sonic R"
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 10, 2009, 07:36:13 am
IIRC we are using #soniccenter anyway <_<
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 10, 2009, 08:18:20 am
Wait what?
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Groudon on January 10, 2009, 02:18:22 pm
Okay, I am, without a doubt, in for the marathon tonight.  Even though I'm most likely going to suck at the whole thing (especially S3K), I might as well do something to occupy a few hours of my time.

edit: Since reporting level times are mandatory, I'm using gens 10 to record.  Gens+ won't work properly if the "auto pause when lose focus" box is unchecked (permanently paused when unchecked).  The start of the marathon will be exactly 10 seconds into the S1 .gmv I post (don't want to include a savestate for starting at a specific spot).
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 10, 2009, 05:26:31 pm
About 35 minutes till start. Everyone join the chat now.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: yse on January 10, 2009, 08:15:49 pm
I won! I'm going to leave pretty soon so for the sake of posterity, at this point Thorn, yoshifan and werster are neck and neck going into Death Egg.

EDIT: posted the wrong S2, fixed
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Thorn on January 10, 2009, 08:25:36 pm
stfu :(

EDIT: Oh, hey, look what I dredged up from the depths of my hard drive! Sig pic, yay!

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1303/omgmikefo6.png)
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Shadow Jacky on January 10, 2009, 08:44:04 pm
fun, but I wouldn't do this again

I fail at lr2 massively allowing werster and fuzzerd to catch up and pass me.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: SonicAD on January 10, 2009, 08:59:29 pm
And I fall to 7th, but still had fun.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Selphos on January 10, 2009, 09:02:17 pm
If anyone wants to see me dick around in S1 while never even beating the damn game after an hour or so, go ahead and watch mine!
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Groudon on January 10, 2009, 09:11:07 pm
Meh, whatever.

Recorded with Gens 10.  Exactly 10 seconds into the S1 .gmv, the marathon officially began.

Did horrid on Sonic 2, so watch at your own risk.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 10, 2009, 09:59:39 pm
......

Edit: just in case that last one doesn't fit in i've added that last zone.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: yoshifan on January 10, 2009, 10:18:22 pm
Looks like I managed 4th; I did quite well in Sonic 1 and 2 by my standards, and fairly well in 3.  I need work on S&K though.

I hope we can hold another marathon, especially for those who didn't get to participate in this one.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: FuzZerd on January 10, 2009, 10:27:21 pm
placed 5th, which is about where I thought I would be, but I did slightly worse in s1 and s2 then I thought I would.
I was really worried that I would GO but I didn't.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Stefan on January 10, 2009, 10:28:05 pm
player in red indicates a gameover at some point in the game

RANKINGS AFTER S1: 1-mike89, 2-yoshifan (-0:16), 3-SJ (-0:59), 4-Fuzzerd (-1:53), 5-Thorn (-2:02), 6-SkyL (-2:34), 7-Douglas (-4:21), 8-Groudon (-5:43), 9-SonicAD (-6:15), 10-Crowbar (-9:38), 11-werster (-9:57), 12-Achlys (-11:49), 13-Cruiz3r (-20:48), 14-DsS (-22:34), 15-RPG (-67:47)

RANKINGS AFTER S2: 1-yoshifan, 2-mike89 (-0:55), 3-SJ (-2:53), 4-Thorn (-4:35), 5-Fuzzerd (-8:40), 6-Sonicad (-11:21), 7-werster (-12:09), 8-Crowbar (-18:21), 9-douglas (-21:17), 10-Cruiz3r (-40:47), 11-DSS (-46:52), 12-RPG (-69:48)

notes: skyl's finish time is unknown

RANKINGS AFTER S3: 1-mike89, 2-yoshifan (-3:01), 3-thorn (-4:40), 4-SJ (-5:14), 5-werster (-12:10), 6-fuzzerd (-15:02), 7-SONICAD (-21:19), 8-Crowbar (-25:43), 9-Douglas: (-41:32), 10-DSS (-59:04), 11-Cruiz3r (-60:32), 12-RPG (-83.40)

notes: skyl's finish time is unknown

FINAL RANKINGS: 1-mike89, 2-Thorn (-9:51), 3-werster (-11:19) 4-yoshifan (-12:37), 5-fuzzerd (-17:03), 6-SJ (-20:29), 7-Sonicad (-35:32), 8-Skyl (-37:08), 9-Crowbar (-41:29), 10-Douglas (-78:46), 11-DsS (-84:11), 12-RPG (-92:25), 13-Cruiz3r (-107:49)


And the finish times for all finishers:
1. Mike89 2h10:24
2. Thorn 2h20:17
3. werster 2h21:45
4. yoshifan 2h23:03
5. FuzZerd 2h27:19
6. Shadow Jacky 2h30:47
7. SonicAD 2h45:50
8. SkyL 2h47:26
9. Crowbar 2h51:47
10. Douglas 3h29:04
11. DSS 3h34:29
12. RPG 3h42:43
13. Cruiz3r 3h58:07

Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: DsSaster on January 10, 2009, 10:31:32 pm
I did what I intended to do, didn't game over or finish last. :D

Here goes my massive 2D failure.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 10, 2009, 10:32:19 pm
Started about 62 minutes after everyone else and got stuck in a wall in ~30 seconds in CN1 and had to wait for time over

Other than that Im pretty pleased with my run
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Crowbar on January 10, 2009, 11:01:02 pm
Unless we count Cruizer as having properly GO'd, I think I'm the only person who did so and went on to finish, lol (I did so somewhere in S1, SB maybe? Can't remember). It's a real shame so many people quit when they did, I would've liked some closer competition. Nonetheless, here's my shit.

I also recorded HILARIOUS AUDIO COMMENTARY. The marathon starts about 5 minutes in (though I talk enough in that time that it might be worth listening to). For bizarre reasons I can't work out it won't actually sync with the giz's playing in Gens, it's a bit slower, so you'll have to pause the emulation occasionally. You can hear the game sounds though so it's probably not too difficult to keep it roughly in line.

https://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=batch_download&batch_id=WnBUc0wzcVh5UkZMWEE9PQ
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 11, 2009, 01:03:28 am
SAD NEWS

Crowbars S3K .giz desynchs at the AI2 boss :(

However S1+S2 are fine, and the commentary is entertaining enough to listen to for S3K on its own
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Groudon on January 11, 2009, 01:15:28 am
Crowbar, what ROM did you use for S3K?
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: CosmicFalcon on January 11, 2009, 06:59:31 am
I LOST, LOLOLOL
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Crowbar on January 11, 2009, 09:51:39 am
The ROM is Sonic and Knuckles & Sonic 3 (JUE) [!].bin, but, sadly, it actually does desync. :( I tried to check the volume my Gens+ was set at and I guess that caused it. That sucks hardcore.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 11, 2009, 10:29:59 pm
Unless we count Cruizer as having properly GO'd,
https://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=batch_download&batch_id=WnBUc0wzcVh5UkZMWEE9PQ


All participants would begin at Sonic 1, and progress to Sonic 2 once they clear Final Zone.
Then they would dash through Sonic 2, and progress to Sonic 3&K after they clear Death Egg.
The challenge would be clear once the screen fades at the end of Doomsday Act 2 (Death Egg 2's Second Boss, for those not in the know.)


I doubt it. I also have a newfound hatred for parameters >:(
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: FuzZerd on January 13, 2009, 06:52:47 pm
ladys and gentleman I give you the individual game rankings for the marathon. note times given are how much the players gained over the leadership position in that game.

s2:    1. yoshifan (+0:16), 2. mike (-0:55), 3. sj (-1:56), 4. RPG (-2:01), 5. werster (-2:12), 6. thorn (-2:33), 7. SonicAD (-5:06), 8. fuzzerd (-6:47), 9. crowbar (-9:43), 10. douglas (-16:56),     11. cruizer (-19:59), 12.  dss (-24:18)

s3:   1.  mike (+0:55), 2. werster (-0:01), 3. thorn (-0:05), 4. sj (-2:21), 5. yoshifan (-3:01), 6. rpg (-3:52), 7. fuzzerd (-6:22), 8. crowbar (-7:22), 9. SonicAD (-9:58), 10. DsS (-12:12), 11. cruizer (-19:43), 12. douglas (-20:15),

s&k:  1. werster (+0:51), 2. mike (0:00), 3. fuzzerd (-2:01), 4. sonicad (-4:13), 5.  thorn (-5:11), 6. RPG (-8:45), 7. yoshifan (-9:36), 8. SJ (-15:15), 9. crowbar (-16:46), 10. DsS (-25:07), 11. douglas (-37:14), 12. cruizer (-47:17) (1 GO?).

also I'm pretty sure you can figure this out yourself from stefens post, but I think these are the official rankings for the full marathon.

1. Mike89 2h10:24
2. Thorn 2h20:17
3. werster 2h21:45
4. yoshifan 2h23:03
5. FuzZerd 2h27:19
6. Shadow Jacky 2h30:47
7. SonicAD 2h45:50
8. SkyL 2h47:26
9. Douglas 3h29:04
10. DSS 3h34:29
11. RPG 3h42:43
12. Crowbar 2h51:47 (1 GO)
13. Cruiz3r 3h58:07 (1 GO)
14. Achlys (quit in sonic 2)
15. Groudon (quit in sonic 2 1 GO)
 Everybody else (quit in sonic 1 or didn't show up.)

congratulations, if you finished the marathon your in the top half of the people signed up!
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Miles9999 on January 13, 2009, 07:11:36 pm
Those rankings don't mean anything...
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Luxray on January 13, 2009, 10:18:32 pm
Well still they're correct. Yay for last (of the finishers) :3
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 14, 2009, 02:32:26 am
I started 62 minutes late, there is nothing wrong with this, people were still racing when I woke up and joined in.

EDIT: Also I -was- there. I was asleep though! Captain Semantics strikes again!
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: yse on January 14, 2009, 02:56:43 am
The 62 minutes are added to RPG's time.

Though it is worth noting that had he started on time, at that pace he'd have come in 7th.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Bilan on January 14, 2009, 05:27:43 am
I'd've been close to 2nd on that pace if I hadnt got stuck in CN1 for 10 minutes too ;_;

lol i fail at sums
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Stefan on January 14, 2009, 08:13:02 pm
Yes, aitamen, I added 62 minutes to his time. That is why his time for sonic 1 is so far behind the others.
Title: Re: COMING SOON! To Channel TSC!
Post by: Aitamen on January 19, 2009, 04:47:24 pm
Yes, aitamen, I added 62 minutes to his time. That is why his time for sonic 1 is so far behind the others.

I just thought he was busy failing it up >_>

that being said, I retract my prior statement and angst...