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Title: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on August 27, 2012, 10:11:56 AM
A while back, I started to add the required stat types for the M&S games (centiscore, milliscore), but never got around to finishing it.

After playing M&S Winter Olympics in the TSC Marathon this year, I decided that it might be worthwhile to revisit this idea and add charts for everything. So, today I'm going to finish implementing the new stat types.

Which leads to another issue: Charts. What events should and shouldn't be tracked, and what stats do they use?

If anyone has ideas for charts for the three M&S games, post them here. (I don't have the (3)DS games, so someone else will have to manage those.)
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: Strong Bad on August 27, 2012, 10:15:18 AM
no
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on August 27, 2012, 03:35:23 PM
I believe that we should use times and scores that are like 9.435. Any other event should not be included. I can try to help with the DS games, but since school has started, I don't have a ton of free time.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on August 27, 2012, 04:19:34 PM
Kay, I finished the event list and their measurements for 20123DS. I just have to put them somewhere. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: SpanielWare on August 28, 2012, 04:16:52 PM
Well, here you go GerbilSoft:

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games DS

Athletics (tracked):

Aquatics (tracked):

Gymnastics (tracked):

Dream Events (tracked):

Dream Events (not tracked):

Other Events (tracked)

Other Events (not tracked)

Gallery Games

By (LV1-LV5) I mean levels 1-5, so there's 25 gallery game levels in total (just to make that clear). Also, below are the circuits for reference, if you decide to include them (the scores are untracked):

Circuits (Beginner's Class)

Circuits (Advanced Class)

Circuits (Master's Class)

Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait...
Below are the missions. Some are fit for competition, some aren't. I've listed them all for reference nonetheless. Also, mission stats aren't tracked. However I do still recommend we include the missions that can be competed in in the competition, as they would be quite fun to compete in.

Missions (Knuckles)

Missions (Bowser)

Missions (Vector)

Missions (Wario)

Missions (Mario)

Missions (Amy)

Missions (Luigi)

Missions (Blaze)

Missions (Sonic)

Missions (Daisy)

Missions (Shadow)

Missions (Yoshi)

Missions (Peach)

Missions (Tails)

Missions (Waluigi)

Missions (Dr. Eggman)

Anyway, I think that's about it for this game. Tomorrow is my birthday (:D) but I will post the events and stat types for M&S10DS by the end of the week. I see you (GerbilSoft) own the three Wii M&S games, and darkstarblaze (DarkAura) will hopefully be helping with 2012(3DS) and the missions for M&S10DS. So I guess we're sorted for now.

EDIT: Scratched out the line about posting for M&S10DS, looks like it's already been done (less work for me :D). Anyway good luck with the charts.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on August 29, 2012, 12:31:56 PM
I did a few missions. Almost done Frosttown. (Oh dear lord what I did I get myself into.) I'll post 20123DS in a few. I need to do some homework..
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: Luxray on August 29, 2012, 12:49:36 PM
Winter Olympics Charts: http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=4650.0
If this is a serious thing, I'll go buy the 3DS version of olympics in a bit.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on August 29, 2012, 12:55:46 PM
I have the 3DS thing. I just need to post it. They will be up at 4 at the latest. I just have a free block at school at the moment
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: SpanielWare on August 29, 2012, 04:17:55 PM
DarkAura, I'm not trying to make you do anything, but it may be easier to look on the internet for a list of adventure tour missions (and maybe quickly look at some YouTube videos to see the stat types) for M&S'10DS. I just thought it might save you some time. Anyway it's awesome that you're helping out with this stuff. Also I'm 14 today :P
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on August 29, 2012, 04:52:04 PM
Happy birthday! And I will. I'll post soon. Sorry, my parents suprised me and took me to dinner, and my computer is at my dorm. I have them done, but I don't really want school food. XP. I'll also have the missions done soon.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: SpanielWare on August 29, 2012, 05:16:53 PM
Thank you for wishing me happy birthday and helping out with this chart stuff so willingly - it's a great help! I hope you have a nice dinner!
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on August 31, 2012, 11:15:29 AM
Majority of missions are done. Here are the stats for 3DS(Sorry of this is all over the place)

100m- 00:000 seconds
1500m- 0:00:000 minutes
20km Race Walk- 0:00:00:000 hours
110m Hurdles- 00:000 seconds
Long Jump- 0.000 meters
Triple Jump- 00.000 meters
Shot Put- 00.000 meters
Hammer Throw- 000.000 meters
Javelin Throw- 000.000 meters
100m Freestyle- 00:000 seconds
100m Backstroke- 0:00:000 minutes
100m Breastroke- 0:00:000 minutes
Badminton (Singles)- 000 points (I don't know if they can go that high..)
Floor- 00.000 points
Horizontal Bar- 00.000 points
Balance Beam- 00.000 points
Rings(not Sonic rings. That mistake only happened once)- 00.000 points
Trampoline- 00.000 points
BMX- 0:00:000 minutes
1000m Kayak (Singles)- 0:00:00:000 hours
Double Trap- 000 points
Modern Pentathlon- 0000 points
Triathlon- 0:00:00:000 hours

The missions for these are too repetitive. So I'll skip them. The ones for the Winter Olymics will be up over the weekend. You can bet my two Sonic 06 records for that.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on August 31, 2012, 12:24:26 PM
20km Race Walk- 0:00:00:000 hours
Triathlon- 0:00:00:000 hours
Ugh, why did they have to throw in "hours"? I suppose these "events" are actually competed in while the system is in standby, sort of like Street Pass and whatnot.

Technically, they're the same as MILLITIME, but they need to use an h:mm format instead of just mm. I'm not sure if I need to add a completely new format for that (HMILLITIME?) or if I can just add a flag indicating "use hours/minutes instead of just minutes".

I will probably have initial charts for M&S'08 (Wii) put together this weekend, and since I'm creating the charts, this will be the first one set up on "The M&S Center".
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on August 31, 2012, 04:38:55 PM
No, the clock is odd. That's all. It's not real hours
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on August 31, 2012, 04:43:06 PM
No, the clock is odd. That's all. It's not real hours
Okay, but it still has to be handled as hours within TSC, so it's still a bit annoying :(

Regarding mission modes, I don't think we'll be tracking them for M&S '08. They appear to simply be "complete event X as character Y" with some restrictions, and otherwise aren't really interesting.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on August 31, 2012, 04:47:32 PM
Ooh! Ooh! Do we have to do adventure tour missions? Honestly, they are like '08 missions with certain rules.  Can do the special challenge boards, since they are more challenging.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on August 31, 2012, 04:49:27 PM
What games are the Adventure Tour missions in? If they're DS-only, I wouldn't be able to say.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on August 31, 2012, 04:59:24 PM
DS only. They are repetitive. I think they're much like '08 missions. Sorry if I sound like I'm chickening out of work. It's my honest opinion. Maybe the challenge missions shouldn't be in, because if you can pass them, your times are good.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on September 02, 2012, 09:45:01 PM
Gerbilsoft, are these gonna be here, or the Mario Center? I'm curious, because I want to be leader for five minutes like Groudon is on Free Riders. Personally, I would like it here because it would bump up my rankings on the site, but oh wellz. Now, I'm going to fry my brain getting records tonight and tomorrow. Yeah, I'm totally ready for the school year. XP
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: yoshifan on September 03, 2012, 02:20:35 AM
As a Mario Center admin, I'd suggest putting the charts on the Sonic Center.  There are a lot more people here.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: SpanielWare on September 03, 2012, 09:28:08 AM
Wait, I'm pretty sure GerbilSoft said he was gonna make a subsite for these M&S games, amirite?
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on September 03, 2012, 09:48:22 AM
Well, I guess, but there are only six games. But wherever these are going, I CALL DIBS ON #1!!!!!!
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: SpanielWare on September 03, 2012, 09:52:16 AM
You'll probably be #1 for a while, not too many people seem that interested in competing in these games, and I honestly don't know if I will ever pick up one of my M&S games again...
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on September 03, 2012, 09:59:52 AM
Hehe. Yayz
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: Luxray on September 04, 2012, 01:39:14 PM
My question for these charts, is "Will there be enough competition to actually support having their charts?" I regret pushing for ASRDS because after 18 months on the site, there's 4 people on the charts, with barely any prominent activity (excluding stat dumps), and rarely gets submitted to. I tried to get competitive in the game when James_Bertolli came in with his sweep, but my interest in the game dwindled as it wasn't the hot thing anymore, nor was there enough incentive for me to play for it sitewide-wise. 2 years ago when i had drafted up Winter Olympics Charts (and summer Wii, which have mysteriously been edited away), i had massive intention to compete in that game regularly, possibly even 0p if i was actually good enough. And the appeal of that game may have been scarce, but it was there with some regular members. As of this post, it seems that not many, barring 3-4 perhaps, are interested in competing in this game. We don't even [seem to] have someone coherent in charts and rule design (sorry DarkAura, not a shot at you, but you don't seem entirely familiar with how charts are drafted, not that your enthusiasm isn't refreshing to see :P) for the 2012 Olympics games. Honestly, I'm not even sure I want to go out and buy this game, because the excitement of the London Olympics has passed, and I'm not even sure we'd get much competition to our charts, if they're made.

I won't complain if charts are made though (I may complain how they're made if i ever get my hands on the appropriate games, -if- they're charted improperly), I'm merely stating that it may just be something that is put onto the site, and seldom used. We seem to be lacking a little lately in submissions with games that aren't big console Sonic games though.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on September 04, 2012, 02:29:48 PM
No problem. I have no clue on how the charts work.

EDIT: I think I may have some rules ideas though
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on September 07, 2012, 10:13:09 PM
Hey, Gerbil, how's the site going? I know you gave us a link but is the site up yet?
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on October 21, 2012, 03:05:09 AM
Here's my charts for M&S'08.
*Skeet Shooting and Archery record both score and time. I'm not sure if time really matters for these events.

Looks like I'll need to add another stat format for MILLITIME without minutes for two events...

Fencing and table tennis are not trackable, nor are their dream event counterparts.

Circuit Mode is completing multiple events as a given character, o there's nothing to track here. Similarly, Mission Mode is completing specific events with a specified goal, so there's nothing to track here, either.

Gallery Games: These either have a fixed upper bound, or are endless and pointless. Not tracking these.

Unlike most of the regular games, TOTAL charts don't make any sense for M&S, since different scores have different weights. For example, the two gymnastics events are scored from 0.000 to 10.000, while Dream Platform can go over 9,000.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on October 21, 2012, 12:34:44 PM
^I might be able to get The Winter Olympics if you want.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on November 03, 2012, 05:56:45 PM
I need some review for the M&S'08 charts! :O
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on November 03, 2012, 08:23:06 PM
They look fine. I looked over them and they look right. Just one thing, we can get away with keeping no minutes with minutes format. Won't hurt much.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on December 03, 2012, 12:23:11 PM
The M&S'08 charts are up on TMSC, but the subsite is still limited to admin-only for now. I still need to finish up some subsite-specific stuff, and I'm probably going to add M&S'10 and M&S'12 before making the subsite public.

Also, we decided to add time charts for skeet and archery. We can remove them later if it turns out that wasn't a good idea.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on December 04, 2012, 02:59:26 PM
Alright then. Did you open up the submissions for the admins?
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on December 05, 2012, 12:05:51 AM
Alright then. Did you open up the submissions for the admins?
Yes, TMSC admins can submit stats for M&S'08. Not that anyone's going to submit anything right now. :V

We also need an icon for TMSC for the top of the sidebar. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: Luxray on December 05, 2012, 12:07:27 AM
Have the DS charts been put up with the Wii charts?

Also obviously the Olympic Rings.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on December 05, 2012, 12:14:08 AM
Have the DS charts been put up with the Wii charts?

Also obviously the Olympic Rings.
Just the Wii charts for now.

We're not using the Olympic Rings, because the IOC is a bit more strict when it comes to using their trademarks than Sega is. This is also why it's called "The Mario & Sonic Center" instead of "The Olympics Center".
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: Parax on December 05, 2012, 02:59:18 AM
oh, good catch, as a Sonic fansite we wouldn't want to infringe on anyone's trademarks!
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on December 05, 2012, 07:33:00 PM
How about a sprite of Mario and Sonic's headshots (the ones on DS) combined? As in side by side.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: Zorkiy on December 06, 2012, 02:42:52 AM
I said almost the same in the chatroom. "Sonic's head icon looking left ovelapping Mario's head icon looking right". Pretty obvious, yeah.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on December 09, 2012, 04:14:24 PM
Post an icon here and I'll use it. (16x16, should use transparency.)
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: Staf on December 09, 2012, 10:09:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/lmkvI.png) (http://i.imgur.com/gLLs7.png) (http://i.imgur.com/pLcUv.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Nfhdg.png) (http://i.imgur.com/MHpfD.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ESmc3.png) (http://i.imgur.com/LfUtp.png)

16x16 is tricky to be creative on.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: Luxray on December 10, 2012, 06:26:45 AM
I vote the 4th icon
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: Zorkiy on December 10, 2012, 07:03:25 AM
Good job, (http://i.imgur.com/Nfhdg.png) and (http://i.imgur.com/MHpfD.png) both are pretty cool and suitable imo. :)
(http://i.imgur.com/pLcUv.png) WereMario, is it you? :D
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: SpanielWare on December 10, 2012, 12:16:47 PM
Well done Staf, you've done a fantastic job! :D
I vote for the 2nd icon (http://i.imgur.com/gLLs7.png).
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on December 26, 2012, 04:54:21 PM
Here's charts for M&S'10. (Winter Olympics)
*These events have multiple courses. The game itself doesn't differentiate between courses for records, but should we keep track of the individual courses?

**Dream Curling isn't kept track of in records, but I think it might be trackable on TSC.

EDIT: Here's charts for M&S'12.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on December 26, 2012, 05:03:25 PM
Do you know how many different courses there are and if you can tell which are which? Of there is make like Figure Skating 1 and onwards.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on December 26, 2012, 05:18:16 PM
Do you know how many different courses there are and if you can tell which are which? Of there is make like Figure Skating 1 and onwards.

Here's the list.

Figure Skating:
Dream Figure Skating:
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: DarkAura on December 26, 2012, 05:34:51 PM
Just make them different. Have like, I don't know..
Figure Skating (Swan Lake)
Etc..
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: Luxray on January 12, 2013, 05:56:08 AM
Here's the screenshot of the titlescreen  that could be viewed for the Rankings page:

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2826/msatwogdstitlescreen.jpg)


Also could we please have some admin input? Something regarding milliscore possibilities or even regarding the totals issue.

One done from ages ago. Getting Summer DS one next
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on January 12, 2013, 10:10:27 AM
Quote from: Luxray link=topic=5390.msg58322#msg58322
One done from ages ago. Getting Summer DS one next
If possible, can you retake the screenshot in PNG format? Also, it's 255x192, when it should be 256x192.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on January 13, 2013, 08:40:29 PM
All M&S Wii titles are up. Now I need charts for the DS and 3DS games.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: Luxray on January 13, 2013, 11:20:34 PM
DS Charts seem feasible. Here are the events and what it saves (if it saves at all):
(dream events in green)

EDIT: Okay. I've properly ordered these events and the division would be "Anyone"



Times:
Alpine Skiing GS
Nordic Combined
Cross Country
Speed Skating 500m
Short Track 500m
Snowboard Cross
Bobsleigh
Skeleton
Biathlon
Luge
Ski Cross Racing
Supersonic Downhill
Intense Short Track
Extreme Snowboarding
Blazing Bobsleigh
All times in XX' XX" XXX format


Scores:

Moguls
Ski Jumping
Figure Skating (The Nutcracker)
Figure Skating (Carmen)
Figure Skating (Die Fledermaus)
Rocket Ski Jumping
The preceeding have milliscore values (i.e. XXXX.XXX pts)

Ski Shooting
Deluxe Halfpipe
Ultimate Figure Skating (Mario Medley)
Ultimate Figure Skating (Sonic Medley)
Ultimate Figure Skating (Mario & Sonic Medley)
Curling Bowling
The preeding have Positve (and 0) Integer Values (i.e. XXXX pts)

Rules:
Single Player mode may only be used.
Party Games may not be use to obtain stats.



I beleive these charts would also have to have no totals as times/scores are far from being nearby/proportional. Also it would be foolish to have divisions for every single character. It'll be long and uncared-for charts like SBK if it were, so Anyone would be wise.

Seems like the Summer DS charts i put up were mysteriously removed from history. I'll see if i can't find them before charting anew. Also:

(http://imgur.com/grejU.png)
(http://imgur.com/Uorrb.png)

EDIT:
Alright time to get off my lazy ass and hold up my end of the bargain. DS version chart possibilities incoming... dunno about totals.



Athletics
- Track
100m: Time (XX.XXX sec)
400m: Time (X:XX.XXX sec)
400m Hurdles: Time (X:XX.XXX sec)
- Field
Long Jump: Score (X.XXX m)
Triple Jump: Score (XX.XXX m)
Javelin Throw: Score (XXX.XXX m)
Hammer Throw: Score (XX.XXX m, max 99.999)

Aquatics
100m Freestyle: Time (XX:XX.XXX sec)
10m Platform: Score^ (XX.XX pts, max 30)

Gymnastics
Trampoline: Score* (XX.XX pts, maxes at 10)
Vault: Score* (XX.XXX pts, max 10)

Archery
Archery: Score* (XXX pts, max 120); Time? (XXX.XXX sec)

Shooting
Skeet: Score* (XX pts, max 40); Time? (XXX.XXX sec)

Cycling
Pursuit: Time** (X:XX.XXX sec)

Dream Events
Race: Time** (X:XX.XXX sec)
Basketball: Score?** (XXX pts, max 999)
Shooting: Score?**^ (XXX pts)
Long Jump: Score** (XXXX.XX m)


* = There's no way these can be competed in as there is a simple cap. Granted, archery's isn't quite as easy as the others, but still.
** = These events are versus between you and (an) opponent(s) in differing levels of weirdness. I'm lazy, so Cruizer can explain these in more detail if he wants.
? = Theoretically these could work but it's pretty unlikely.
^ = There's gotta be a cap on this since it isn't even on the WFC rankings, but I dunno what it is.

Any questions GS, ask away.
Title: Re: Reviving the idea of M&S charts
Post by: GerbilSoft on November 02, 2013, 10:30:24 PM
Finally getting around to doing M&S 2012 3DS charts (and later 2014 Wii U):

Badminton (Singles)- 000 points (I don't know if they can go that high..)

Is Badminton actually trackable? According to Wikipedia (http://'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoring_system_development_of_badminton'), the game goes up to 21 points unless there's a tie, in which case it goes up to a maximum of 30.