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Competition Central / Longest Lasting Records That Have Been Broken
« Last post by Zurggriff on February 19, 2019, 09:19:19 PM »
A few months ago, I posted the Top 25 longest standing untied records. While I mentioned that looking for the longest standing untied records ever as a possible future task, I felt like uncovering a fresh set of stats; a list that would have the names of players from back in the day along with newer competitors. With that in mind, the longest lasting records that have been broken contains records that had stood the test of time, but were ultimately shown to not be maxed. Including the records that still stand today would likely have filled the chart with easily maxed ring stats. As an nice indication of activity, 16 of the top 25 streaks were broken this year which includes what was the second longest standing current untied record on the site, recently broken by Sm4sh.

Rank Days  Record Category     Game                 Level   Division      Date   Record Holder Tied             Broken By   On Date New Record
   1 4953 0:13:90    Times  Sonic R          Radical City        Tag 07Jul2005       SprintGod    -                 Sm4sh 28Jan2019    0:13:73
   2 4616    0:23    Times  Sonic 1         Spring Yard 1      Sonic 20Jun2006          maggot   11             Tee-N-Tee 08Feb2019       0:21
   3 4574   55300   Scores     S3DB         Green Grove 2      Sonic 17Apr2006 Greham Adelphis   17             Zurggriff 25Oct2018      56500
   4 4379    0:50    Times  Sonic 2             Death Egg   Knuckles 24Dec2006         stanski    7             Zurggriff 20Dec2018       0:49
   5 4314   67050   Scores Sonic 06         Radical Train     Silver 24Apr2007         PsyBorg    - Jakanddaxtersonicnate 14Feb2019      67200
   6 4298 6:04:45    Times      StF                   All       Bean 05Feb2007 DarkspinesSonic    -       billy_bongsalot 06Feb2019    5:00:97
   7 4220   43400   Scores     S3DB         Green Grove 1      Sonic 15Mar2007           Thorn   26             Zurggriff 03Oct2018      44700
   8 4062   52500   Scores Sonic CD     Collision Chaos 2       Acts 13May2005          maggot    -                bertin 26Jun2016      88300
   9 4028   77050   Scores Sonic 06     Wave Ocean: Tails      Sonic 26Jan2008           Parax    - Jakanddaxtersonicnate 05Feb2019      78640
  10 4024   65750   Scores   SA2(B)           Lost Colony  Mission 5 22Jan2008         Psyknux    -              WeegeeZV 28Jan2019      66040
  11 4018   88620   Scores Sonic 06        Kingdom Valley     Shadow 26Jan2008           Parax    - Jakanddaxtersonicnate 26Jan2019      90590
  12 4017    0:18    Times     S3DB      Spring Stadium 3      Sonic 23Jan2008 DarkspinesSonic    2             CoEmpathy 22Jan2019       0:17
  13 4003    0:35    Times  Sonic 1         Scrap Brain 1      Sonic 25Feb2008         Sonic62    5             Tee-N-Tee 10Feb2019       0:31
  14 4002 0:14:96    Times  Sonic R       Radiant Emerald   Balloons 12Feb2008           KMaCc    2                 Sm4sh 27Jan2019    0:14:10
  15 3999     429    Rings Sonic 06 Kingdom Valley - Hard     Shadow 03Feb2008           Parax    2     TheOnlyShadow2001 15Jan2019        439
  16 3993 2:00:83    Times  Sonic R        Radian Emerald Reverse 3L 09Mar2008            Etch    -                   Nim 13Feb2019    1:27:36
  17 3983 0:10:70    Times  Sonic R         Resort Island        Tag 06Mar2008           KMaCc    -                 Sm4sh 31Jan2019    0:09:66
  18 3981 0:01:96    Times  Sonic R          Radical City      TA 1L 23Mar2008            Etch    -                 Sm4sh 15Feb2019    0:01:36
  19 3975   36440   Scores   SA2(B)            Sand Ocean  Mission 5 11Mar2008         Psyknux    -              WeegeeZV 28Jan2019      37510
  20 3964   97200   Scores  Sonic 2        Emerald Hill 2   Knuckles 07Feb2007         stanski    -             Zurggriff 15Dec2017      99300
  21 3952   30970   Scores   SA2(B)             Iron Gate  Mission 5 11Mar2008         Psyknux    -              WeegeeZV 05Jan2019      31020
  22 3937 0:17:26    Times  Sonic R         Resort Island      TA 3L 28Feb2008            Etch    -                 Sm4sh 09Dec2018    0:16:50
  23 3936   54800   Scores     S3DB      Spring Stadium 2      Sonic 16Feb2008    Shadow Jacky   11             Zurggriff 26Nov2018      55400
  24 3927  111000   Scores  Sonic 2        Emerald Hill 1   Knuckles 07Feb2007         stanski    -             Zurggriff 08Nov2017     113600
  25 3921    1:19    Times     S3DB      Volcano Valley 1      Sonic 24Feb2008    Shadow Jacky    2             Zurggriff 19Nov2018       1:18
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Competition Central / Re: TSC Most Leaderships List
« Last post by InferSaime on February 19, 2019, 07:05:14 PM »
Per request I've updated the spreadsheet, check the link above.
We saw some falls (DsS, FF, SB737) but also some rises, from both old and new (Zurgriff, Sm4sh, Avikaielief (sorry I butchered your name), etc).

As always if you see some errors then please let me know.
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Competition Central / Re: Sonic Forces rankings
« Last post by hfactor66 on February 17, 2019, 02:04:48 AM »
The Drill strat in this video appears to be 3 seconds faster than the Hover + Cube strat you used https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQpQ9Cw1S8
Please go easy on me.
Verdamnt! I must be missing something then, back to the drawing board with Final Judgement I guess… *sigh* I’m used to this sort of thing. Also I agree, I think leaving Rentals alone would be best, gives players the leisure to choose whether or not they should use a Rental. It’s much more beneficial for SA and RA, and as you’ve pointed out, doesn’t mean much for speedrunning in most cases, since Drill is fucking god at it, literally built to go fast.

Here's a thought:

Use divisions for the wispons, and rank all 9(?) separately.

* SpinDashMaster shot

Lulz. tbh I thought about that too. I don’t know if it would be worth the effort honestly, cuz I’m not sure how many people would be interested in the idea of having individual charts for every Wispon on the Avatar stages. Even though I hate the fact that Drill is king in just about every Avatar stage, there’s plenty of Wispons that would pretty much just be deadweight in a speedrun. On the other hand, though, Cube is most definitely king when it comes to Ring Attack and Score Attack, (I mean come on, tons of bonus rings, tons of bonus points, AND double points as long as you have 100+ rings? You can’t beat that for RA and SA unless the level barely has any enemies) so it’d be interesting to see some other kinds of competition with different Wispons in these categories. I remember having to put Burst and Void together with a Rental for SA on Stage 20 to beat my Cube score, that is until I found a better strategy with Cube which crushed my Rental combo’s score. XD
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Leaderboard Disputes / Re: ATTN: Supersonic456
« Last post by Ss456 on February 16, 2019, 09:10:53 PM »
Hello, I have taken everything you have said into consideration, I understand where you are coming from in this situation. This probably doesn't help in any way shape or form but, I am very sorry for the trouble this had caused. Now, I have decided that I will no longer be submitting any of stats to the sonic center as I do not want to cause trouble again. I understand this is probably not the correct way to aproch this but I honestly think it's for the best. Again I am very sorry for the trouble I have caused and, thank you for taking the time to read what I had to say - Supersonic456.
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Competition Central / Re: Sonic Forces rankings
« Last post by SpinDashMaster on February 16, 2019, 08:44:01 PM »
Here's a thought:

Use divisions for the wispons, and rank all 9(?) separately.

* SpinDashMaster shot
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Competition Central / Re: Sonic Forces rankings
« Last post by Zurggriff on February 16, 2019, 08:41:10 PM »
So help me god, if there’s a way for Drill to somehow be faster on Stage 29, I’m gonna flip a table, cuz I’m sick of Drill being the king of speedrunning in this game…
The Drill strat in this video appears to be 3 seconds faster than the Hover + Cube strat you used https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQpQ9Cw1S8
Please go easy on me.

Stage 27 is faster with Void + Drill. I missed that. I also missed that this combo works in Stage 19 because skipping the quick time event apparently makes it possible to take out Metal Sonic without dealing with the extra badniks. This game is generating actual discussions now which is great. I am trying to figure out exactly how the community wants the charts set up which is coming with some difficulty. Even if the other stages are all faster without the rental avatar, having a rental (requiring it to be used somewhere in the stage) does change the run. If we want separate charts for rentals and no rentals, we need a solution for chart format. The charts will not go up until this is resolved, along with any other concerns that come up as changes after the charts are up will be difficult.

And, yes, Drill dominating speedrunning is a terrible waste of wispon variety which is why I have been going through stages without Drill to start out.
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Leaderboard Disputes / Re: ATTN: Supersonic456
« Last post by Zurggriff on February 16, 2019, 07:08:48 PM »
On the submissions page, there is text that reads "Guesses at, made up, or generally false times will be rewarded with bans". It is clear that the rule requiring video proof for record stats is understood given that stats just under the record were submitted to remove the record stat. You mentioned in your post that the ring stats you replaced the record stats with where put in place until video proof was available, which gives a strong impression that those stats (1 ring lower than record) were not actually obtained. If that was the case, they would be considered made up stats and were used to evade proof requirements. The correct course of action was submit the next best stat actually obtained or request an administrator to remove the stat.

Your submission behavior makes it difficult for other players to trust that your submissions are representative of actual achievements. This site had operated on the honor system for several years, but this presented the problem where stats could be made up and the ways to identify these stats as illegitimate without requiring proof in the first place was limited. To fix the issue, the requirement for video proof was added just for record stats. This could have applied to lower ranking stats but was limited just to first place to maintain easier access to submissions with the vulnerability that next best stats could be submitted without proof, regardless of their difficulty. Your times stats may not have come into question had the ring stats not given the appearance of made up stats, pushing the limits of the rules as they were written.

You have been uploading videos for several of your stats and planned to record videos for the first place stats you previously claimed. Was posting a video showing the best times and scores in the world map an unreasonable request? This surely would have cleared up most of the concerns of whether or not your stats were legitimate. It is important that players can trust that a competitors stats are valid and your actions highlight a vulnerability with the current rules. You could have resolved this problem with some cooperation but, instead, you opted out and changed all of your Sonic Unleashed 360 and DLC stats to minimal values. Additionally, you have removed the videos that previous stats had linked. Unless those stats were achieved with cheating, removing the videos, and your stats, was unnecessary. I recently addressed 17 players and their record stats that did not meet the proof requirements (you were on this list but removed the records before I took action) without issuing bans, or even a warning, received feedback from several of them, and have not had any further problems. Given that you chose to replace your stats and refused any sort of cooperation, your ability to submits stats will be removed and all of your stats will be suspended. When you decide you want to return, with a mindset that fosters healthy competition, we can discuss the terms of your return. There was no need for the site to lose a competitor like this.
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Leaderboard Disputes / Re: ATTN: Supersonic456
« Last post by Ss456 on February 16, 2019, 11:55:07 AM »
I put I had the max rings available in the stage which, I did, then stats were not good enough. Now these starts are not. Maybe I was putting the rings as that for now while I try and get video proof. Ever thought of that? As for the times, my elgato is very faulty atm just fyi, and to confirm that you can ask xrrstyle and Razor X as they have been on a voice call when my elgato has decided to bug out. You need video proof for 1st place times, none of my times are first place on the leader boreds so as far as I'm concerned no video proof is required unless the rules suddenly change. But like I said if there's a way for you to get me banned, just go ahead and do so as it will turn out easier for both of us honestly. If you are reading this, thank you for taking the time to do so.
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Competition Central / Re: Sonic Forces rankings
« Last post by hfactor66 on February 16, 2019, 02:33:42 AM »
Looking through the levels, I see very few opportunities for rentals to make a difference in time attack. The fastest times I could find for avatar stages did not make use of the rental in any stage.

Really? Because I can think of three stages off the top of my head from my own experience where having a Rental makes a huge impact on your time, and those are Stage 19 against Metal Sonic, Stage 27 against Infinite, and Stage 29, Final Judgement. Since Stage 19 and 27 are both “endless” runner style boss fights, having two Wispons makes a huge impact, because having certain Wispons at certain times drastically speeds up the fight. Void and Drill, as I’ve mentioned before, works wonders as a Rental combo on Stage 27, because you can speed up two of Infinite’s attacks this way. You can drill him when he charges towards you, and Void the badniks he summons immediately after that, not to mention you can use those same tactics against Metal Sonic.

Stage 29 I’ve found to have a drastic difference in time with using a Rental, and that’s because of the three tube things you have to destroy after the boring on-rails section. The best combo I’ve found to use to destroy them as quickly as possible is Hover and Cube. (The only useful application I’ve ever found for Hover, lol) Knocking at least two badniks into one of the tubes with Hover will instantly destroy it, and a row of six spawn right next to two of the three tubes immediately at the checkpoint, so that leaves you with just one left, and I’ve found that Cube dispatches that last one the fastest, because you’re able to take it out in one move with a jump attack, something I can’t say for any other Wispon, even the almighty Drill, the speedrunner’s most common choice in this game.

So help me god, if there’s a way for Drill to somehow be faster on Stage 29, I’m gonna flip a table, cuz I’m sick of Drill being the king of speedrunning in this game…
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Competition Central / Re: Sonic Forces rankings
« Last post by Zurggriff on February 15, 2019, 05:55:55 PM »
Maybe Rentals could have Freestyle category or same sort of stats like Sonic Generations "True Time Attack"

Does anyone else have an opinion on this idea? Rental avatars also change how competition works for ring and score attacks. Is there interest in competing in any of the categories separate from with rental avatars? Are they too similar to make it worth separating? One of these (Rentals or No Rentals) could be a separate category that may or may not count toward the rankings or they could be separate divisions, like different character choices for the same level.

Looking through the levels, I see very few opportunities for rentals to make a difference in time attack. The fastest times I could find for avatar stages did not make use of the rental in any stage.

Many of the stages have rings that are out of reach, depending on the wispon, and require a second wispon to collect additional rings/points. However, some stages do not really have anything extra to offer with a rental, such as Stage 17 VS. Infinite or some of the secret and extra stages.

I do not see enough reason to separate rental avatars for times stats. I see some reason to separate ring and score charts but only for some stages. For how much trouble it is to avoid separating charts that would overlap and the lack of support for this, I think leaving rentals and no rentals on the same charts is the better option.
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